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Poster: lawn_boy2812 Date: Nov 30, 2007 4:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: best of 77?

the argument over the best show of this tremendous year could go on for days, but in my opinion 2-26 blows the pants off cornell or the other shows of the may triple crown (7-9)...there's a lot of talk of may being over rated and i think there's some sense in that, then again we've all heard those shows so much it might be im just tired of them...best of 77?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Nov 30, 2007 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

My Top 15 for 1977 as of right this second, in the order I would probably grab them off the shelf...

1. 12/29
2. 10/29
3. 5/9
4. 10/2
5. 6/9
6. 5/21
7. 5/19
8. 5/25
9. 11/6
10. 4/23
11. 2/27
12. 5/7
13. 2/26
14. 5/8
15. 9/3

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Poster: snori Date: Nov 30, 2007 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

Sneaking in between 29/10 and 4-6/11 is a little show that I don't think gets enough praise http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-10-30.sbd.nawrocki.14946.sbeok.shnf
I frequently listen to this one and maybe it's not the barnstormer that so many other 77 shows are, but it is a thing of beauty, particularly from Peggy-o to the end. In fact beautiful is not usually the adjective I'd use to describe 'PITB', but here it applies.

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Poster: swamprabbit Date: Nov 30, 2007 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

I realize I'm probably alone on this one but I have always loved 11/06/77 from Binghampton. Other shows from 77 are tighter and smoother but this one has power! My favorite versions of Scarlet>Fire, Truckin', and especially WHARF RAT (wow).

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 30, 2007 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

what about the 1/2 Step from that show? Unreal.

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Poster: swamprabbit Date: Nov 30, 2007 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

Yeah - this one don't let up from 1/2 Step opener to the JB Goode encore. If only it wasn't for that pesky Sunrise!

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Poster: Speaking in Swords Date: Nov 30, 2007 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

I don't think I could ever choose a favorite from '77. It's not that it's the best year, it's just one of the most consistent ones. That said, 10/2 and 12/29 really shine in my eyes. I like May and all, but the end of the year runs seem to have more meat on the bones so to speak.

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Poster: Ellis Van Sofa Date: Nov 30, 2007 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

my personal fave is 10/16. it doesn't get enough love.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Nov 30, 2007 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

I love 10/16. Sugaree, Music, Black Pete shine. Underrated indeed.

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Poster: orangejulius Date: Dec 8, 2007 5:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

Caveat: I have not heard 9/3 nor 12/29. It's shameful, I know. However, I've listened to a good portion of this spectacular year and my Top 3, in chronological order are...

5/9: In addition to the usual praise for HSF, TOO, & NFA, the Set 2 opening trio of Bertha, Good Lovin', Ship of Fools is just perfect. Also, this version of Comes a Time might be the best ever. Did I forget to mention the TMNS to end the first set and the amazing UJB encore?

5/25: Underpraised Half-Step opener (whereas I think the one from 11/6 is overpraised). Great Peggy-O and Lazy Lightning>Supplication in the first set. Beginning of the second set is great (S>F, Estimated>He's Gone>Drums. The main attraction: A dark & spooky Other One w/ fiercely-delivered first verse develops into a Slipknot!-esque jam, then into a jazzy Other One theme-jam that breaks down into an unaccompanied Garcia solo that segues into a beautiful Wharf Rat. Nice segue back into The Other One for the second verse and a hushed segue into The Wheel. Rippin' versions of Chuck Berry songs to close the first set, the second set, and the show? They WERE in Virginia. By the way, Slipknot! teases throughout the show.

10/29: I agree with grendel. This is my favorite from 1977 and while this show sparkles from the opening notes of Might As Well to the closing notes of the OMSN encore, it's really all about the Eyes. Eyes is played at a slightly more relaxed tempo than most '77 versions and while it might not be as long as some others, it has a soulful intensity that appeals greatly to me (one of my favorite versions). Eyes jams into a very nice space jam that MELTS into a seriously creative St. Stephen that might be my favorite version. The "drums" that follows is really Drums & Bass, before it launches into a short, but INTENSE NFA that melts unexpectedly into a long and passionate Black Peter, instead of the usual '77 Wharf Rat. Don't forget the insane Let it Grow to close the first set. LLRain and Loser are also excellent in the first set.

The Second Tier: these just barely don't make the top three
2/26: Excellent versions of Terrapin, Playin->Wheel, & Sugaree (a little bluegrass in this one) all in the first set! Set 2: Groovy Eyes w/ a vaguely familiar lick from Phil (Is this a Who song?!? I really can't place it) and a fluid segue into a good disco Dancin'.
5/19: Best Sugaree ever. The second set segue sandwich speaks for itself.
6/9: Best HSF ever... don't even bother trying to argue... Equally as powerful as the Cornell Morning Dew.
11/5: Cool Phil solo, jam & Take A Step Back march develop into an excellent Eyes replete with another great Phil solo that segues seamlessly into S&D. A seriously MAD Saturday Night encore.

Honorable Mention:
3/18: Monstrous NFA. One of my favorites.
5/7: Excellent all-around, but all the equipment problems make it a challenging listen.
5/8: Frankly, I think the first set is boring, aside from the Dancin' (which I still think is overrated). Second set is rightfully legendary and is probably the best SET of this year (and one of the best ever).
5/15: Phenomenal Dancing in the Streets featuring a jam that almost winds up in Cumberland Blues.
5/21: There's a passage between Scarlet and Fire that is simply delicious.
10/2: Silky smooth Truckin' > Other One transition.
10/11: Another monster version of NFA.
10/30: Best Peggy-O ever, although the rest of the show is par for the course (to these ears) as far as 1977 goes.
11/2: Awesome, inspired, WARPED Estimated.
11/6: Wharf Rat (really powerful, with a great segue out) > St. Stephen reprise (with Cosmic Charlie and Truckin' teases) > Truckin' (one of the best ever)
12/27: Set 1 sparkles and shines, with Keith providing great texture to Garcia's fresh solo work. These songs sound rejuvenated and energized. Check it out!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Nov 30, 2007 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

In search of triune simplicity, I'll stump for the three Winterland shows in March, and the three in June. While I like the June set more than the March set, I'm astonished no one's included any of the March shows in their lists. Could it be because they've been removed from the archive?

For best set in the year, I nominate the first from 5-25. The second is okay, but nothing remarkable.

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Nov 30, 2007 9:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

I have no idea what the best show of '77 is, but my personal favorite is 6/9. One of my fave H>S>F.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 30, 2007 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

cornell.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 30, 2007 4:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

i don't think it is possible to pick a single show from that year. Here are the ones that I tend to turn to when i need a stiff shot of 77

2-26
5-9
5-25
6-9
10-29

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 30, 2007 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

I agree there is now way to pick THE best show from the Grateful Dead's greatest year.

That being said 10/29/77 is the best show from that year, and in fact the best show the Grateful Dead ever played. (By now, everyone knows I say this whenever '77 comes up; and yes, it's said tongue in cheek, even though i do personally believe it's so).

So rather than just submit my usual let me also offer what I think are some very UNDERRATED, under-the-radar shows from 1977:

5/4/77: Beautiful show. Listen for Bobby playing a few licks from "ChinaCat" in the Scarlet>Fire.

5/11/77, St. Paul. Brilliant Scarlet>Fire, terrific TLEO, and yes, the crowd reacts to "Big River" when Bobby sings about meeting her accidentally in St. Paul, Minnesota.

5/13/77: They could do wrong in May of '77

5/7 and 5/9. The shows that sandwich around Cornell, which is NOT overrated, but is not the best show of '77, either.

5/7 has a Terrapin and Wheel to die for, and 5/9 has possibly the best Help>Slip>Frank outside of the 8/13/75 One From the Vault performance. 5/9 also has the best "Ship of Fools" ever, which often gets overlooked in that show.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 30, 2007 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

Funny you should mention 10/29, I've got that very show running now and, as usual, I still can't believe how good it is. I think the Eyes may be one of my favorite two. Oddly enough, the other one occurs just a few nights later in the Colgate show. But even though they were performed only days apart, they couldn't be more different. The Colgate Eyes is a speeding monster, a relentless pounding of sonic force that never lets up. The Field House Eyes, however, is a mellow journey, sprinkled with delicate and intricate formations that only Jerry could produce.
To your point, for me, the 10/29 and the 5/25 Mosque show may be my favorites, but I would never say one or the other (or any of the amazing shows from that year) was the "best" for me. For just like any Dead show, each time I listen to one I am hearing new things and forming new opinions. I think this may be why I never grow tired of listening to these folks. Even though the shows cannot literally change from what they were the night they were performed, their form and power continue to morph and change into new forms of fluid art that make me constantly review and update my opinions.
Whenever my wife asks me how can I listen to a show over and over, I try to explain how each time I listen, it becomes a new show capable of moving me to my soul for different reasons from the last time I listened. She'll then look at me funny and say "Well, at least you're not out chasing women." Nope, I'm simply chasing the next great Dew or Playin'. Funny thing is, I probably have listened to it already.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 30, 2007 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

SDH--

I think we're living parallel lives. I also have to explain to my wife how i can listen to yet ANOTHER version of Eyes, or Scarlet>Fire, or Dew, etc.

But it's true--the reason we love this band so much is that there are new subtleties to discover in each and every show. No, they're not a technically polished or proficient band, and yes, I have to admit to my wife that Donna is not exactly channeling Ella Fitzgerald in her warblings, but no band has ever packed more creativity, spontaneous energy or pure inspiration into live performance.

As for the Eyes of 10/29 it is my all time favorite. It starts as you say w/mellow jazz overtones, a la Wes Montgomery but by the 2nd instrumental jam leading into the final verse it is a rip roaring Jerry fest of mad guitar riffs that evoke at points Spanish Jams and casey-Jones like cresendos.....it never fails to astonish me. The rest of the band rides the crest of the wave and joins in the splash down. I wish everyone would listen to it.

(yeah, and that Colgate one next night aint bad either)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 30, 2007 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

Well, if we are indeed living parallel lives, it must mean that, according to our favorite abrasive antagonist, you, like me, are also a raging homosexual bent on the ingesting of as much pole as is physically possible. Welcome to the club.

But, to get back on topic, the 10/29 Minglewood is crazy good. Jerry is not just on fire, he is burning with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 30, 2007 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

the abrasive antagonist has as much effect on me as mosquitoes have on the windshield of a car doing 90 on the Interstate.

enjoy the music, and the rest is white noise.

(...and how 'bout Jerry belting out that Might as Well? :-)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 30, 2007 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

Funny you should mention 10/29? Find me three posts where GC doesn't mention 10/29!! ;-)

If you want another one that slips under the radar, if a show from 77 can slip under the radar, check out 5-17-77. Donna must really feel at home back in Alabama because imo it is her best show with the Dead. Great Jack Straw (Donna lets the accent loose on Cheyenne) and my favorite Jack-A-Roe

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 30, 2007 6:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

5/17 is yet another favorite from that year. I agree that it is actually a fine performance from the "Warbler", similar to the Mosque show.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 30, 2007 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

Spot-on re: Donna on 5/17 and 5/25...much more in control or something...she sounds lovely.

But did I mention the incredible St. Stephen from 10/29? ;-)

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Nov 30, 2007 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

Grendel-
You wouldn't be, by any chance, able to get me downloads or burn copies of the Auditorium Theatre shows on the 12th and 13th of May, 77, would you? These were my first shows, and I've never been able to get them in downloaded.

Staggerleib

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 30, 2007 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best of 77?

Stagger--

I'm no computer expert (I still don't know how to do bittorrent like some folks) nor do I care about "lossless" as opposed to a good old mp3 burned disc, but I can def. help you out with 5/13/77 in one of 2 ways, if you're not looking for anything special.
(i don't think i have 5/12/77 but i can check. I can also let you know an easy way to get it yourself, or i'm happy to snail mail you a copy at least of 5/13/77.)



GC

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Poster: deadhead66 Date: Dec 8, 2007 1:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Seven Unheralded '77's

I recommend these shows:

02/27/77 Robertson Gym, U.C.S.B. (Rob Bertrando)
04/27/77 Capitol Theatre, Passaic
05/03/77 Palladium (Jerry Moore)
05/15/77 St. Louis Arena (Steve Maizner)
10/11/77 Lloyd Noble Center, U. Okla., Norman
10/15/77 Moody Coliseum, S.M.U., Dallas
11/02/77 Seneca College, Toronto.

These are my favorite shows from my least favorite year (at least until 1982). Norman is the show of the year, and has to be heard to be believed. It's the only '77 show I've heard with pure interstitial jamming (vide "Drums → Not Fade Away → Wharf Rat"). Dick Latvala considered this sequence a prime example of "Primal Dead," and I concur. The opening triptych of "Help → Slipknot! → Franklin's" (last one until 03/25/83 Compton Terrace) is adamantine in its clarity, breathtaking in its ingenuity, and unrelenting in its intensity.

Get Steve Maizner's audience recording of St. Louis; it beats the soundboard hands-down.

The "Sugaree" from the Capitol Theatre and the "Stella Blue" from Moody Coliseum are my favorite renditions of those songs.

N.B.: "Truckin'" from Seneca College, Toronto features none other than Mr. Philip C. Lesh on background vocals. If you know the story surrounding this show, you'll know why he chimed in so vociferously on this one.

Best to all,
deadhead66

P.S.: Can't forget to mention the show from The Forum, Inglewood, CA 6/4/77, taped by Rob Bertrando. This is a must-have recording of an innovative and stunning performance. The second set neatly parallels the second set from the infamous show at Red Rocks 7/8/78 in song selection and intensity of delivery. Outstanding.


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